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"Fistgate":  What homosexual activists in schools do with children

The "Fistgate" tapes: Part I

Hear (and read) for yourself the graphic details of homosexual activists teaching public school children techniques of homosexual sex.

June 15, 2009

WARNING: THIS CONTAINS GRAPHIC AND DISGUSTING DESCRIPTIONS.  We posted it here because it involved state employees and schoolchildren -- and these actions are still being defended by the homosexual movement in Massachusetts.

Fistgate - Part 1

Part I (Duration: 24:59)  In this tape: Spitting versus swallowing while giving oral sex to a male; having sex with other lesbians; it's really about sex; getting into an exploratory mode; oral sex and tongue rings; state money for gay school clubs; sex on a homosexual date; HIV education and fisting; types of teen homosexual sex; lesbians rubbing clits together; how to do "fisting"; pain and sado-masochism.

Narrated by Scott Whiteman, who attended the GLSEN-Boston "TeachOut" conference on March 25, 2000, personally witnessed what happened, and made the recordings. At the time he was Executive Director of Parents' Rights Coalition (now known as MassResistance).

Transcript of Part I


In considering homosexual programs in the public schools, one is always told that the goal is tolerance. It's not about sex; it's about tolerance. It's about civil rights; it's about human rights. It's about anything but sex -- so they say.

But when I recently attended the 10th annual Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network Conference (GLSEN), I heard quite a different story. You should know that this conference was fully supported by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Safe Schools Program, the Governor's Commission on Gay & Lesbian Youth, and some of the presenters even received federal money.

The audio excerpts you hear on this tape were recorded at this GLSEN conference. My experience and what you are about to hear was likely not a unique experience. This was my first GLSEN conference and the majority of the tape you are about to hear was from the first two workshops I attended. To think that I could have been so lucky as to stumble into workshops that are not normal for these "gay" student-teacher conferences is highly unlikely. I would not be surprised if you heard the same things if you attended a GLSEN conference in your own hometown.

Some of what you are about to hear is extremely explicit. This tape is intended for parents and adults concerned with the homosexual agenda in our schools and should not be listened to by children without parental supervision.

Spitting versus swallowing while giving oral sex to a male

If it's all about tolerance, why is the following question necessary?

Male Teacher: ... Spit versus swallowing. I don't know about the calorie count of cum. All right. Is it rude? Let's ask this question: Is it rude not to swallow?

Students: No! Oh, no! [Many "no's" from the children.]

Male Teacher: No. So it's in good bedroom etiquette … [unclear] to spit out?

"Tolerance" -- You just heard a public employee ask 14-year-olds if it was rude to spit rather than swallow during oral sex.

The phony mantra: "It's not about sex"?

David LaFontaine, chairman of the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth and the man who is mostly responsible for the Gay Straight Alliances in Massachusetts, tells us, "We believe very strongly that all students should not be sexually active in high school."

Female Teacher : OK, the first question is: What's fisting?

Male Teacher: A little known fact is that you don't make a fist like this. When they do it, it's like this. This is a lot easier than this. [laughter]

Female Teacher : You work your way up to it. You may put one finger, you may put two fingers, three fingers. Some people can take a hand, or they can't take a hand.

It's about tolerance? If Gay Straight Alliances are not about sex, why are the people who run Gay Straight Alliances telling students about fisting? What you did not see is the man leading the discussion positioning his hand and showing 14-year-olds how to insert their entire hand into the rectum of their sex partner. When I brought up a similar concern at the Dec 21st, 1999 Board of Education meeting, Marcel Laflame, chairman of the Student Advisory Council and a member of the Board of Education, told me, "You're operating under the premise that Gay Straight Alliances are all about sex. I'm speaking for myself as a founding member of our school's GSA. It is not all about sex."

Male Teacher: One of you is a young lesbian who -- a young lesbian who is really attracted to this other woman. It's getting down to the wire where you are thinking about having sex .... never had sex with a woman before. And this is your really hip GSA lesbian advisor who you feel you can talk to.

"Tolerance" -- If Gay Straight Alliances are not about sex, why are the students told to go to their "really hip GSA advisors" to get tips on making the first move? He is actually recommending the student to go to the Gay Straight Alliance advisor to learn how to approach someone they've never had sex with before.

As recently as Thursday, April 6, the Assistant Superintendent at Newton North High School mocked one parent's concern about that school's gay day by saying that being gay has nothing to do with sex. Quote: "This is not about sex. This is about human rights," according to Jim Marini, the Assistant Superintendent to the Newton schools.

Female Teacher: We always feel like we're fighting against people who say publicly, say privately that being queer is not at all about sex, and we believe otherwise. We think that sex is central to every one of us, and that it's really hard and that -- but particularly for queer people, sex takes on a really different meaning. And I think queer people -- because I think it's different for people that define as bisexual, lesbian, so on and so forth.

So we think it's really important to say as sexuality educators to say specifically that the issue is around sex, and sexuality, and sexual identity, and sexual expression for gay kids, and that saying things like "Being gay is not at all about sex" is really a political statement and it really isn't based in reality.

"Tolerance"? If the entire agenda is about tolerance, why does a Department of Education employee complain about having to fight against other public employees who say it is not all about the sex? Like the department employee says, "Sex is central to every one of us, particularly for queer people, sex takes on a different meaning." The statements to the contrary "really aren't based in reality." Clearly the goal is not tolerance -- rather breaking down the natural sense of right and wrong of a child, putting him into an exploratory mode and actually encouraging the child to put himself into a potentially life-threatening situation.

Getting into "exploratory mode" with sexuality

Male Teacher: And what we do is have students go up to the board and brainstorm different responses such as um "If I was to come to terms with my sexual identity … I might be willing to have um sex more often if I found someone who was actually gay, lesbian or bisexual because I [unclear] think that they'd be the only one." Sometimes students say, um you know, "I would want to have sex to just to prove if I were gay or not because I'd figure if I had sex then I would know." And then they'd say, "I'd have sex with -- not gay sex, because I'd want to prove I'm heterosexual and not gay. I want to see, and I want to sample." I mean, there are a number of different responses.

The impetus in doing this is once again to put them in an exploratory mode, not only for themselves but also for the possible motivation and situations that other students could be in, that they're gonna be doing outreach to, through the various events and through the one-on-one outreaches in Boston.

Department of Education employees helped children to get into an exploratory mode with their sexuality. They assist exploring teens to get together and to have sex to find out whether or not they are homosexual. Again, the people who come into your children's school to discuss homosexuality intend to put children into an exploratory mode to obtain "a don't knock it until you try it" attitude about homosexual sex.

Oral sex and tongue rings

Not only do Department of Education employees help these children to get together to have sex, but they discussed how sex might be better - perhaps everyone should pierce their tongues.

Male Teacher : Is oral sex better with tongue rings?

Youth: Yes.

Male Teacher: Yes! [laughter] And there you have it.

A tongue ring is a metal stud that is often pierced straight through your tongue. Here, 14-year-olds have already learned that a tongue ring makes oral sex better.

State money for gay school clubs

Massachusetts leads the country in supporting the "gay" agenda in public schools. We have Gay Straight Alliances throughout the state. Gay Straight Alliances are after-school clubs supported by our government where teenagers discuss everything you learn from these leaders. Massachusetts Gay Straight Alliances are the model for Gay Straight Alliances throughout the country.

Man: In Massachusetts we have government support essentially for Gay Straight Alliances in a way that doesn't exist in any other part of the country. There are about 700 Gay Straight Alliances in the country right now -- approximately 185 in Massachusetts, although that number is really questionable because whether the GSA has any members or how active it's being, and sometimes it's just counted anyway. But roughly 185 in Massachusetts.

The Department of Education in conjunction with the Governor's Commission has been giving out grants to schools to support activities including the formation of a Gay Straight Alliance since 1993, and right now those grants are up to $3,000 per school per year. They will be available for next year starting May 1st.

There are about 700 Gay Straight Alliances throughout the nation. Over 180 of them are in Massachusetts. The reason Massachusetts has more than one quarter of all the Gay Straight clubs in the nation is that our state budget includes one and a half million dollars ($1,500,000) -- of our tax dollars -- to support these clubs each year. Contrary to the statements made from the previous DOE employees, we don't "essentially" have government support. We have government support for clubs which advocate homosexuality to teenagers.

Female Teacher : We have a project where we go into the [unclear] … homosexuality is in the curriculum and it's actually a grant that you apply for [unclear] … GSA [unclear] … But we're not talking about that project today.

HIV education vs fisting?

You just learned that a Department of Education employee visits Gay Straight Alliances throughout the year to implement what is called "a school based HIV prevention program with a broader sexuality education approach." Keep in mind this is the same woman you heard a few moments ago tell 14-year-olds that sticking your whole hand into the rectum of your partner is about intimacy. Is this the woman you want to visit your child's high school?

Sex on a homosexual date

Now that we've clearly established that the agenda is not about tolerance, rather sex, let me share with you some of the conversations from the workshops entitled "What they didn't tell you about queer sex and sexuality in health class" and "Putting the sex back into sexual orientation: Classroom strategies for health and sexuality educators."

A Department of Public Health employee asked the students what were some of the possibilities if they were to go on a homosexual date:

Male Teacher: What's another date possibility? I know you guys have been on dates.

Student: … sexual intercourse …

Male Teacher: There might be! That's right. [laughter] It's a possibility. [unclear chatter] A number of different sexual encounters. There could be you know … [unclear]

Student: … kissing … hand holding ...

Male Teacher: There could be full-blown out-on-the-couch in-the-car sex too. I mean we're not ruling that out either.

Did you hear that? All-out sex is a real date possibility. I thought that high school students were encouraged not to have sex, yet this Department of Public Health employee in essence says, "You're gonna have sex and that's great."

Types of homosexual sex kids can try

But the presenters of this workshop were concerned that the students might not know what to do if they were to have sex, or whether there could be gay sex at all. Can a gay person lose their virginity? Is oral sex sex? All of these were considered very important concerns which your child needs to determine on his own. Please listen.

Female Teacher: What was it like the first time you were having sex? How did you know what to do?

Young Male: Well, it was like with gay sex there's no - well, with straight sex it's kind of assumed that vaginal intercourse is when you lose your virginity, but there is really no boundary like that with gay sex…. [unclear] So if you don't wanna lose your virginity, like you kind of have to feel for like what that is.

Male Teacher: And what you're comfortable doing.

Young Male: Right.

Female: ... It probably means something different like... [unclear]

Young Male: Yeah … [unclear, chatter]

Male teacher: … My friend Nancy doesn't consider blow jobs sex. She says that doesn't count as sex. And I'm like, "If that doesn't count as sex, then the number of times I've had sex has dramatically decreased, like - … from a mountain to a valley, baby!" [Lots of laughter, chatter.] Um -- but that's a reality. You're right. That's a real reality. What constitutes sex, and what people think the definitions are of sex. It's difficult. But what do you guys consider sex? What's sex? Entering any orifice? Finger in nose? [laughter] Does everyone agree with that? It's like any orifice filled with any part is sex? No? [chatter]

All right. Well there you go. We can live with it. But what orifices are we talking about? Don't be shy, honey! You can do it!

Girl: Your mouth?

Male Teacher: OK.

Girl: Like your --

Young Male: Asshole.

Girl: Your ass?

Male Teacher: There you go!

Girl: Your pussy.

Male Teacher: All right ...

The students cavalierly laughed at a public worker who just informed a group of children that he has received oral sex countless times. These students carelessly threw around their view of sexuality as easily as did the Department of Public Health employee. And if sex is the filling of an orifice, can lesbians have sex?

Female: I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. What is sex for lesbians?

Male Teacher: Right.

Female: Is it … [unclear] Is it only oral sex? What is it?

Male Teacher: Does the dildo have to be long?

Female: Yeah, I mean yeah. [unclear] … dildo? [unclear] … dildo? How do I know that?

Male Teacher: If I'm a guy and I'm not fucking, is that real sex?

Female: And sometimes it's part of the experiment to find those things out.

Did you hear that Department of Public Health employee? "Is f---ing sex?" Who gives this public employee the right to ask your child if f---ing is sex? "Do lesbians use a dildo? Can a dildo be too big? Can a dildo be too small?" All of these are considered very important questions for your teenager.

Even though these children were told that it is fun to experiment, our public employees still informed every budding lesbian of just what to do. All they had to do was ask.

Lesbians rubbing clits together

Following a seven-minute discussion on whether lesbians rubbed their clits together: Questions like: "How does it work? Can you show me?" I will take you through this discussion stopping to highlight some of the critical points.

Female Teacher : Do lesbians rub their clits together? [unclear] ... answer. [laughter, chatter]

Male Teacher: Are we talking globally? [unclear]

Female Teacher : ... Is it possible? Yes, it's possible... [unclear] more information …

The previous discussion was on how lesbians had sex, whether lesbians could have sex and did they rub their clits together. The following conversation will give you some of the answers.

Male Teacher: How does it work?

Woman: ... How does it work? You want to do a little like hand diagram for us?

Male Teacher: Like scissors? Is it like scissors?" [laughter] ... rubbing together; rubbing together...

Woman: So -- I'm married. I don't know. Is it like on top of each other?

Male Teacher: Is this to the side? Do your legs have to be spread? Like what's the story? Does anyone know the answer to this big question?

A student asked the rest of the class if anybody else had done it so that they could get a better picture on how these 14-year-old girls could have sex with each other. A Department of Education employee informs all the young women in the room that rubbing your clits together is absolutely possible. You can achieve orgasm from it. You can be stimulated from it. It is a sexual experience.

Male Teacher : So then how does it work? So you could be laying on top of each other?

Woman: I've never done it.

Male Teacher : O.K.

Woman: Has anybody ever done it? [lots of chatter, laughter]

Young Female: It is absolutely possible that two women could lay on top of each other and I'm playing teacher -- heads bobbing -- and you can rub your clits -- clitori -- together [laughter] … I know you can do that …

Female: You can do whatever basically works. [chatter]

Finally the answer emerges from one of the students: You do whatever works. Simply that's the answer. That's the answer to the homosexual lifestyle. You do whatever you need to for sex.

Female Teacher: And there's actually a word for this. It's not just rubbing clitorises together. [Sound of writing on chalkboard.] "TRIBADISM". Bring that back to Bedford! "I have a vocab word, everyone!" [chatter]

Female Teacher 2: And, um, you can do it with your clothes on, with your clothes off, it can actually be a sexual experience, you can orgasm with it, you can get stimulated with it. I mean it is a sexual experience.

There you have it. According to the Department of Education employee, tribadism is a sexual experience. Indeed, lesbians do have sex and now your daughters know how.

How to do "fisting"

Not only were the "normal" sexual encounters described, but even the completely abnormal came into the full light of day. Fisting, a deviant sexual practice where someone places their entire hand inside the rectum of their partner -- oftentimes up to their elbow -- was given particular attention and advocacy.

Female Teacher : O.K. First question is: What's fisting? Anyone want to [unclear] …

Male: Get your whole hand to enter here or there. There's fingering and then there's fisting.

Male Teacher: Very good. A little known fact is that you don't make a fist like this when you do it. It's like this. THIS is a lot easier than THIS. [laughter]

At this point, the gay male Department of Public Health employee positioned his hand open and pointed rather than like a bald fist.

Female T eacher: Fisting is not forcing your hand into somebody's orifice or opening or hole, or whatever you want to say, if they don't want it there. So the first thing is usually relax [unclear] … It's not like you're doing any forced sex on anybody. It's usually -- one would hope -- with two consenting adults. It's two consenting adults, and you work your way up to it. You may put one finger, you may put two fingers, three fingers. Some people can take a hand, or they can't take a hand.

Some people don't want to go that far … It's ... a very intense and [unclear] experience and not an abusive or rough [unclear] kind of experience… Then again, some people do want pain and I'm not cutting that down, but that's typically not what this is about..

[unclear chatter]

[Question: unclear]

Female Teacher: … It can be for some people. It is an experience of really letting someone into your body who you want to be that close and intimate with.

Fisting is "an experience of letting someone into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with."

Pain and sado-masochism

This demonstrates clearly the two differing world views between heterosexual and homosexual sex. Homosexual sex forces homosexuals to attempt to beautify what is repugnant and bizarre.

Male Teacher: [reading question:] "My ex said she enjoyed pain. What the hell is that about?" [laughter, chatter] Good question. Who wants to take that on?

The ugliness of mixing sex and violence is best revealed through the world of sado-masochism -- S&M. S&M goes hand in hand with homosexuality.

Male teacher: I have a subject. How do you - - how do you draw that line? Like let's say your ex, your partner you're with says, "I enjoy pain." How do you deal with it? How do you know what the boundaries are? What do you -- [Some responses from audience; unclear.] OK.

They're going to take a variety of forms. What are some of them? [Teacher repeats students' responses:] Spanking. Bondage. Hot wax… [unclear; laughter] But -- there's something that needs to be explored.

Public employees did not discourage violence and sex. Rather they asked 14-year-olds to draw a line through experimentation, asking the students to determine how they knew what their boundaries are. And those boundaries are best discovered through exploration.

These public employees are actually offering suggestions to children on how to stick their entire hand into another's rear end. Pardon my frankness. But public employees have coached children in lewd and lascivious behavior. What a far cry from the teaching of the 3 Rs in school. When sexuality is taught in high school, the most banal and lewd will be taught.


And what about all that money for abstinence education we're hearing about? You'll hear our presenter's opinion on that, too.

Female Teacher : I just want to also share with you some of the -- what the federal government has said on how this money can be spent. It can only be spent on programs that teach "that a mutually safe collaborative relationship in the context of marriage is an expected standard of human sexuality and that any sexuality outside of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects." So -- [unclear]

Female Teacher 2: Think about other people you know that are sexually active …[unclear] somebody else that's not married … Think of all that harmful psychological and physical effects [unclear]…

Sex has been reduced to a cheap thrill. But what more should we expect from our children when those who are in charge of sexual education have ideas about sexuality like you just heard?

Many people are not aware that the U.S. Congress has funded a federal abstinence program. The idea of abstinence is totally spurned by the moderator who encourages the young people to think of people they know who are sexually active and consider what harmful effects they have encountered, as if 14-year-old children are the best judges of such.